Saturday, March 03, 2007

They really don't like Real ID



Protest of national identification card draws mock Nazis, Constitutionalists

Database was a dirty word yesterday at a rally to oppose New Hampshire's participation in a national identification card system that would digitally catalog personal information.

More than 100 people - some dressed as Nazis, others wearing three-cornered hats - gathered on the State House lawn. Though the group's political leanings spanned the spectrum, they agreed that the system is a bad idea, citing identity theft, Big Brother and the violation of the United States Constitution.

"We have to decide . . . if we're going to stand by like sheep as they brand us," said Carol Shea-Porter, a Rochester Democrat (who was not in costume) running for Congress against Republican Jeb Bradley.


Read more here.

36 Comments:

Blogger Nameless said...

Question for Fred Smart and Doug Kenline:

Do you approve of people killing the prosecutor and the judge if Elaine or Ed are arrested?

5:14 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

I do not approve of the use of violence, force or coercion by anyone. Period.

Do you approve of the government's use of violence, force or coercion to arrest Ed and Elaine Brown?

Fred Smart

5:24 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

Who are you? Please reveal your identity.

5:28 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"I do not approve of the use of violence, force or coercion by anyone. Period."

And yet you provide the the media (blog, audio, and radio) for Ed to call repeatedly for the murder of the prosecutor and judge. Your actions are inconsistent with your words.

5:29 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

This is the creed I ascribe to:

THE CREED OF FREEDOM

INTRINSIC NATURE OF RIGHTS
I believe that only individuals have rights, not the collective group; that these rights are intrinsic to each individual, not granted by the state; for if the state has the power to grant them, it also has the power to deny them, and that is incompatible with personal liberty.
I believe that a just government derives its power solely from the governed. Therefore, the state must never presume to do anything beyond what individual citizens also have the right to do. Otherwise, the state is a power unto itself and becomes the master instead of the servant of society.

SUPREMACY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
I believe that one of the greatest threats to freedom is to allow any group, no matter its numeric superiority, to deny the rights of the minority; and that one of the primary functions of just government is to protect each individual from the greed and passion of the majority.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
I believe that desirable social and economic objectives are better achieved by voluntary action than by coercion of law. I believe that social tranquility and brotherhood are better achieved by tolerance, persuasion, and the power of good example than by coercion of law. I believe that those in need are better served by charity, which is the giving of one's own money, than by welfare, which is the giving of other people's money through coercion of law.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
I believe that all citizens should be equal under law, regardless of their national origin, race, religion, gender, education, economic status, life style, or political opinion. Likewise, no class should be given preferential treatment, regardless of the merit or popularity of its cause. To favor one class over another is not equality under law.

PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
I believe that the proper role of government is negative, not positive; defensive, not aggressive. It is to protect, not to provide; for if the state is granted the power to provide for some, it must also be able to take from others, and once that power is granted, there are those who will seek it for their advantage. It always leads to legalized plunder and loss of freedom. If government is powerful enough to give us everything we want, it is also powerful enough to take from us everything we have. Therefore, the proper function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens; nothing more. That government is best which governs least.

THE THREE COMMANDMENTS OF FREEDOM

The Creed of Freedom is based on five principles. However, in day-to-day application, they can be reduced to just three codes of conduct. I consider them to be The Three Commandments of Freedom:

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
Do not sacrifice the rights of any individual or minority for the assumed rights of the group.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
Do not endorse any law that does not apply to all citizens equally.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=creed

5:30 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"Who are you? Please reveal your identity."

Why would I trust people who plan on stalking and killing others?

5:30 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

You wrote: "I do not approve of the use of violence, force or coercion by anyone. Period."

You also wrote: "Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property."

Which is it?

5:32 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

Please answer the question:

Do you approve of the government's use of violence, force or coercion to arrest Ed and Elaine Brown?

If the courts provided due process to Ed and Elaine the government wouldn't left with trying to blame people like Ed and Elaine Brown - and those who seek to help them.

This blog was set up so that the light of truth could shine on a situation that otherwise would be shrouded in the darkness of more lies and spin from a media that is controlled by forces that seek to destroy Ed and Elaine Brown.

If you are for the truth why don't you reveal who you are? If you are for peace, freedom liberty why don't you record an audioblog with us?

The people who are supporting Ed and Elaine Brown have been very open and transparent. The truth has nothing to hide. The truth is something that nobody can claim or control. We are all called to freely receive, share and celebrate the truth with one another so that we can help and serve one another in ways that support the manifestation of more goodness and love in our world.

Helping and serving others is the essence of what is means to be Human.

Please show us some evidence that you are a Human being. Pick up the phone and call so we can talk - 888-606-9379. The ball is in your court.....

There's a line being drawn:

We are either for freedom or for fascism.

One is the way of life. The other is the way of death and destruction.

We hope and pray for a peaceful resolution of this matter. We will always seek the high road and reach for the light of truth so illuminate the darkness so that the misunderstandings and misconceptions can be exposed and resolved.

6:16 PM  
Blogger whynot said...

To namelss:[excuse me AFTF, but this moron "nameless" caught my attention, may I interrupt...]
--
....FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property.
--
...is an individuals right to protect ones self. NOT for the corrupt disgusting government officials to take matters into their own hands without permission. After all 90% of cops are nothing more than idiots [too dumb to work and too lazy to steal]with a badge and a gun". scary
oops! did I offend you! too bad, get over it, it's what it is.

6:25 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

While "I" may not approve of this, the bottom line is still the same: Every individual has a God given right to defend one's life, limb and property against acts of violence, harm and aggression by others.

DUH!!

I personally, do not identify or approve of acts of violence of any kind - ie. I do not approve of the the use of force - ie. coercion - for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property.

6:32 PM  
Blogger KOSMIC said...

I say we are at war against the federal government and the judges who fail to fallow the constitution and we should stop them by all means using force if needed.

6:34 PM  
Blogger whynot said...

Stopping the flow of MONEY is obviously stronger than a bullet.
The Feds et al use nothing else but coercion/violence. Quest for Fair Trial in Concord, NH is all we are asking for! What is their problem?

6:46 PM  
Blogger FredMarshall1937 said...

Somewhere on one of these Ed Brown-related blogs I posted a six-step primer intended to promote understanding Larken Rose's research on the 861 evidence. Because the blogs' designs make them difficult to navigate, I have no clue where I posted it.

In any event, Law Professor Jon Siegel (George Washington University School of Law) responded to it via email to me as follows:

Fred,

Thanks for your message. The answer to the 861 argument can be found here:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/861.htm

I presume you know that Larken Rose, the big proponent of the 861 argument, was only recently released from prison.

Perhaps you should consider this question: isn't it *possible* that all the judges rule against this argument because it's just completely wrong?

Jon Siegel

My email response to him follows (edited to omit imbedded images):

Professor Siegel:

Thanks for your email response to my post on the blog. I read your comments at
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/861.htm.

Your credentials are both impressive and impeccable. I applaud your accomplishments.

I'm certainly neither a legal scholar nor a lawyer nor a paralegal. I'm not even a competent legal researcher.

What I am is reasonably intelligent and able to read, able to reason, and tend not to be gullible, at least most of the time. From a purely educational standpoint, I cannot hold a candle to the many so-called intellectuals, historians, and journalists who have eloquently written widely-accepted propaganda about the Vietnam War. What I am is a three-time Vietnam veteran who spent 34 months in country, much of it in the Infantry, and I know from experience and on-site observations most of the lies, distortions, and misinformation that were "recorded" from afar by "smart" people.

No single view, from any single angle, is apt to portray an accurate picture of anything. I try to look at matters from every angle I can find.

You can look at the evidence and learn the TRUTH, or you can refuse to and simply continue insisting everything you don't now believe must therefore be "frivolous." You'll continue to be wrong, despite your education and experience, if you choose the latter. I'll prove that directly.

Consider:

A. Video Introduction, so you will know that Larken and Tessa are not the people the media and the press portrayed them to be. It's difficult, if not dishonest, to disagree with Larken's legitimate and honorable life principle that "if you see someone stealing from your neighbor, you ought to tell him."

(Sorry the following messages cannot be made clickable on this blog. I don't have urls for them, but the messages can be accessed near the bottom of this site: http://irobyou.info/#video

Three-minute message from Larken Rose:
Three-minute message from Tessa Rose:

B. Larken Rose's conviction had absolutely nothing to do with 861, in any way, shape form or fashion. He was not permitted to either make that argument or present any evidence relating to it. He was convicted because (1) the prosecutor and the judge collaborated to deny him any opportunity to present a credible defense, (2) because they collaborated to mislead the jury and allow them to see only government-sanitized, misleading information, (3) the jury instructions did not include any explanation of the criminal intent legally necessary to prove "willfulness," (4) the jury was misled to believe they were duty-bound to "obey" the judge, and finally (5) the judge told them "you must take my word that everybody is required to file and pay income taxes." The majority of the information Larken intended to address at trial was "deemed" by the judge to be "frivolous," a magic word the government often uses to silence those intent upon exposing the truth.

C. Federal judges, according to a few honest ones who have spoken out (and according to simple logic), avoid irritating the IRS for fear of IRS retaliation against them by examining their own personal financial dealings and tax filings. Most of them are as scared of the IRS as jurors are. Ditto for federal prosecutors and defense attorneys, who must tread gently while giving the appearance of defending their clients. Defendants have little chance in the overwhelming majority of federal courtrooms. That's the simple "legal reality" of the corrupt federal court system. Yes, it's better than in most countries, but it is corrupt to the core, as you well know.

D. When any issue is truly "frivolous," it is all the more easy to discredit and briefly explain away. The federal courts use "frivolous" most often to shut down arguments and presentations they simply don't want to hear. They never explain WHY they contend the 861 evidence is frivolous, they simply insist that it is and they shut down all discussion of it. The prudent application of "frivolous" would be to deny lawsuits such as the old lady who sued McDonald's because she spilled hot coffee between her legs. She'd have had a great case had she been burned by iced tea, but she ordered and received hot coffee. McDonald's served her what she ordered. McDonald's did not spill it in her lap. Had I been the judge, I'd never have permitted that suit to go forward, and I'd have censured the attorney for filing it.

E. The Supreme Court has never, to my knowledge, ruled upon either a proper presentation of the 861 evidence, or upon the constitutionality of the tax code AS IT IS APPLIED. As it is written, I have no doubt that the code is 100% constitutional. It's simply, albeit deliberately, misapplied.

F. Who teaches tax law in law schools? The IRS. Who teaches taxes in CPA courses? The IRS. Are IRS agents trained by teaching them from the CODE? No, they are trained from training manuals, pamphlets, and IRS publications. Most IRS agents and revenue officers know very little about the law itself. They are taught, in their manuals, to quote certain sections of the Code when needed, as well as carefully-selected court cases. I met with an IRS agent YESTERDAY at my local IRS office, to settle a dispute over $1,800 they wrongly contend that I owe. She had two shelves of books (manuals, quick reference guides, tables, you name it). I asked her if she had a copy of 26 U.S.C. and 26 C.F.R. She said no. I asked her if she had access to them. She said yes, but she had to request them and check them out from her station manager. Why do you think that is the case? Could it be they don't want agents learning too much?

G. Get your hands on DOJ's confidential manuals for prosecuting tax cases. The information in the two I have seen will curl your toes. The manuals tell prosecutors how to prepare cases and how to use deception and diversion to discredit valid defenses before juries. They guide prosecutors in strategies designed to WIN cases (as opposed to seeking truth and justice). The manuals themselves are criminal in nature, in that they teach how to deny defendants their constitutional rights.

H. I don't believe ANY reasonably astute and intellectually honest person can seriously consider the information disclosed at the two links below and fail to see and acknowledge the fraud and deception that are indisputably revealed. The first is an 88-minute video which examines the issue chronologically from an intellectual angle, and the third (the second allows you to download related files) presents the basis for a slam-dunk conclusion based upon the irrefutable data-mining of the tax code. No matter how one approaches the subject, computer searches produce the law as it pertains to the subjects searched for, and the solutions repeatedly come up "861" again and again and again. That's where the real (versus perceived) LEGAL answers lie.

Theft By Deception - Deciphering The Federal Income Tax - 88-minute Google Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023

Download the Tax Codes FREE - Data Mining Tax Code - Computer-based Tax Research
http://whatistaxed.com/statutes_at_large.htm

What is Taxed? The answer always comes up "861." - Data-mining the Tax Code
http://whatistaxed.com/searchResults.htm

~Additional related and worthwhile links:

Introduction to, and Examination of, the 861 Evidence - in PDF Format
http://irobyou.info/research/861.html

Streaming Videos including Theft by Deception and The 861 Evidence, by Larken Rose
http://irobyou.info/#video

7:40 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

I would like to submit the Following to NAMELESS...


I don't believe that most of us Condone Violence. I know I don't.

But when things like this happen, it is not only our Constitutional Right... But Our Duty, to Change the Leaders of our Government. If taking up Arms against them is the only means left by which to accomplish this, then it must be done.

When the Courts fail us, or deny us a defense, they have asked for just such action to be taken!

When Judges in their own words, say;

"I will not allow the LAW in MY Courtroom!"

or

"I will not allow the Constitution in My Courtroom!"

Then it is up to WE THE PEOPLE, to let that Judge know, it is OUR COURTROOM! NOT HIS!

It is up to WE THE PEOPLE, to Dis-BAR that son of a Bitch... WITH PREDUDICE! And to Charge that Particular Judge with CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE.

7:45 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"The people who are supporting Ed and Elaine Brown have been very open and transparent."

Indeed, they are openly and transparently providing the means for Ed to call on his followers to engage in the revenge killing of the judge, the prosecutor, and others engaged in the court case.

8:52 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"While "I" may not approve of this, the bottom line is still the same: Every individual has a God given right to defend one's life, limb and property against acts of violence, harm and aggression by others. DUH!!"

Duh indeed. Ed isn't saying that if the judge and prosecutor personally come to put handcuffs on him, he will defend himself with violence. He is using this forum - and your help - to arrange for revenge murders of people who pissed him off.

8:54 PM  
Blogger CRAIG said...

Nameless said...
Do you approve of people killing the prosecutor and the judge if Elaine or Ed are arrested?

Nameless, do you approve of

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/internet/crim_jury_insts/html/chap1_8.htm

PATTERN CRIMINAL
JURY INSTRUCTIONS


_______________

Chapter 1.00

GENERAL PRINCIPLES


Committee Commentary 1.02

2005 Edition

The Committee made no change in the instruction.

A panel of the Sixth Circuit quoted paragraph (4) of this instruction and stated that it cured any confusing statements made by the district court during voir dire. United States v. Okeezie, 1993 WL 20997 at 4, 1993 U.S. App. LEXIS 1968 at 4 (6th Cir. 1993)(unpublished).


1991 Edition

The jurors have two main duties. First, they must determine from the evidence what the facts are. Second, they must take the law stated in the court's instructions, apply it to the facts and decide whether the facts prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. See Sparf v. United States, 156 U.S. 51, 102-107, 15 S.Ct. 273, 39 L.Ed. 343 (1895); Starr v. United States, 153 U.S. 614, 625, 14 S.Ct. 919, 923, 38 L.Ed. 841 (1894).

The jurors have the power to ignore the court's instructions and bring in a not guilty verdict contrary to the law and the facts. Horning v. District of Columbia, 254 U.S. 135, 138, 41 S.Ct. 53, 54, 65 L.Ed. 185 (1920).

But they should not be told by the court that they have this power.

United States v. Krzyske, 836 F.2d 1013, 1021 (6th Cir.), cert. denied, 488 U.S. 832, 109 S.Ct. 89, 102 L.Ed.2d 65 (1988); United States v. Avery, 717 F.2d 1020, 1027 (6th Cir.1983), cert. denied, 466 U.S. 905, 104 S.Ct. 1683, 80 L.Ed.2d 157 (1984); United States v. Burkhart, 501 F.2d 993, 996-997 (6th Cir.1974), cert. denied, 420 U.S. 946, 95 S.Ct. 1326, 43 L.Ed.2d 424 (1975).

They should instead be told that it is their duty to accept and apply the law as given to them by the court. United States v. Avery, supra at 1027.

8:56 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"I personally, do not identify or approve of acts of violence of any kind - ie. I do not approve of the the use of force - ie. coercion - for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property."

You don't approve of it, you just provide material assistance in the planning of it.

Take responsibility for the monster you are helping to create. Ed is talking about shooting people who come to arrest him, he's using your forum to actively call for revenge murders.

8:58 PM  
Blogger CRAIG said...

Nameless said...

Duh indeed. Ed isn't saying that if the judge and prosecutor personally come to put handcuffs on him, he will defend himself with violence. He is using this forum - and your help - to arrange for revenge murders of people who pissed him off.

Nameless, I think that you are some kind of nerd who can't read very well. Duh...Ed never said anyone should kill the judge and prosecutor. But then, I guess when you guys can't carry on a truthful and honest conversation, you have to resort to these types of lies. Ed did say that if you try to arrest either him or Elaine, he will defend his wife and property. Big difference there Nameless. Now be a good NoBody and go get a real life.

9:01 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

What Ed is calling for, is the death of Judge McAulliffe's Carreer in the Judicial System, and his Conviction, for Crimes against Them and the Jury.

You just said that:

"I personally, do not identify or approve of acts of violence of any kind - ie. I do not approve of the the use of force - ie. coercion -

for any purpose except

to protect human life, liberty, or property."


Ed is simply stating that He will defend his very Life... and His Liberties... and His Property.

Personally... I believe the Case against them should be Dismissed on the Evidence of Judicial MisConduct by the Judge...

I further believe that the Judge should be tried for his Crimes agains the Brown's, The Jurors, and our very own System of Due Process.

I don't believe However, that the Judge should be Executed...

Judge McAulliffe's DEATH, Should Come by way of His Dis-Barment. He has after all, and by his own Accord... Committed Career Suicide!

Not only the Brown's have a Case against the Judge... But the Jurors certainly have a Case against Him... And should start making that Case, on behalf of Ed's Rights, as well as their Own.

9:17 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"Ed never said anyone should kill the judge and prosecutor."

Ed has said it numerous times. I guess you don't listen to the audio blogs or radio shows.

9:17 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

This Site is not about REVENGE of any Kind! It is about JUSTICE for the People of this Nation! It is about Upholding the Constitutional Rights of American Citizens.

Nothing less... Nothing More.

9:18 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

“This is the beginning of one very huge movement. I’m not quite sure you understand the ramifications of what’s going on right now. This is massive. This is international. We are fed up with the Zionist Illuminati. That’s what this is all about. Loud and clear. Zionist Illuminati. Lawyers, whatever they are, ok, it’s going to stop. And if the judge is a member of that, I know that McAuliffe is, I know that US Attorney Colantuono is, they’d better stop. This is a warning. You can do whatever you want to me. My job is to get the message out and I’m getting the message out, and I’m warning you guys (not you guys [referring to the show hosts]) them to cease and desist their unlawful activity in this country and every other country because once this thing starts, we’re going to seek ‘em out and hunt them down. And we’re going to bring them to justice. So anybody wishes to join them, you go right ahead and join them. But I promise you, long after I’m gone, they’re going to seek out every one of you and your bloodline. - Ed Brown”

9:19 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

I have heard that... and I understand what you are saying totally. And I also somewhat agree with you.

I'm simply trying to clear the air here, just like you are.

Like you... I believe that People need to see the whole Picture...

They need to be Focused on JUSTICE... not Revenge.

Thanks for your Time.

9:22 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

“I've got my own teams out there, but my own teams are to stay out there to make sure that if anything happens to me, whoever does it gets taken care of. - Ed Brown”

9:24 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

You know what though NAMELESS...

There are TRUE PATRIOTS in this Country... who WILL DO Exactly as Ed said in his Statement you Posted Above.

It is the DEFINITION... Of Revolution my Friend. And it is the Equal, and Opposite reaction, of the Government's Actions Against WE THE PEOPLE.

I guess the Question then... Is how far are YOU willing to take your PATRIOTISM.

9:29 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Not YOU... per se... I mean anyone...

9:30 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Nameless... Do you personally believe in Ed's Cause? I mean... If not his methods... Do you believe in what it is He and Elaine are fighting for, and against?

9:32 PM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"There are TRUE PATRIOTS in this Country... who WILL DO Exactly as Ed said in his Statement you Posted Above."

The founders must be rolling in their graves. Revenge killers are the true patriots.

That how you feel Fred and Doug?

9:41 PM  
Blogger CRAIG said...

Well Nameless Nobody,

There is a solution here, don't go to Ed's house to arrest him. Hay, why not give these people the FAIR trial that they are asking for. Why not honor ALL YOU oaths to uphold the Constitution and defend from enemies from within or without? And why not tell us your name, your real name. Why hide in the dark Nameless Nobody?

10:16 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Do you see another alternative for Ed and Elaine?

As far as Ed is Concerned... If he has no Choice but to lose this battle due to Corruption, and if He is Fact... to lose this battle... Then in his Mind... He might as well go out, Fighting Tyranny.

He has been forced to take the Stance He's taken. And though I myself do not Condone Murder... Treason IS... Punnishable by Death. He is angry... and has a right to be.

I am not saying anyone should be killed! Just that I believe He is doing what He believes to be right.

And that Alot of Citizens agree with him.

10:44 PM  
Blogger AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM said...

Nameless:

The universe isn't governed by chance, luck and coincidence. There is a perfect order that governs all creation. We are all part of the unfolding of this order and justice. Doug Kenline and myself, Fred Smart - and others - are supporting this blog because we believe the "Ed and Elaine Brown's" of this world have not had a voice. 99 times out of 100 these folks have been railroaded, deprived of a fair trial and stripped of their life, liberty and property. What has happened to Ed and Elaine Brown is a complete and total travesty of justice. Their trial rails against all the forces of truth and justice in the universe.

You can sit there behind your anonymity which is, by definition, a cowardly and sick position to be in.

The forces of justice and mercy cry out for a voice in the universe. You seem to have a perverse sense of belief that jutice was served in Ed and Elaine's case. If so, then why don't you reveal yourself to a candid world and share the fruits of your insight so that others can be better helped and served?

You still have yet to answer the first question posed to you as follows:

Do you approve of the government's use of violence, force or coercion to arrest Ed and Elaine Brown?

If justice is served there is never any need to use force, violence or coercion. Justice is how the universe operates. Period. You can attempt to dam a river only so long, but inevitably the waters will seek their own level and flow downstream to the one ocean.

Ed and Elaine's voice is the same voice of millions of individuals throughout the world who's freedom, liberty and property have been destroyed or violated.

What are you doing to ensure a peaceful outcome to this situation? Why don't you start by revealing to us who you are. And if you aren't willing to reveal who you are then at least we know who you aren't. You aren't a true Human being. You are merely an deceptive excuse that's masquarading as a Human being.

May our Lord God Jesus Christ have mercy on your soul and may Ed and Elaine Brown's voice be heard by a candid world so that a peaceful resolution can manifest in a way that gives everyone a "way out."

12:06 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Amen!

12:17 AM  
Blogger FredMarshall1937 said...

Ed and Elaine are two people who just happen to be getting more-than-usual publicity. Countless others disappear every day into our prisons with hardly a notice.

The drafters of the Constitution were adamant that the new nation would have NO DEBTORS' PRISONS. That's why they included BANKRUPTCY fourth in their list of the "few and defined" duties of government.

Yet, thanks to the criminals in government the greedy bankers have been able to corrupt, federal prisons are bulging at the seams with people who have done no wrong but have been ILLEGALLY and WRONGFULLY convicted of "owing the monster." We do, indeed, have the debtors' prisons the Constitution intended to prohibit.

So, who should be blamed....the honest, law-abiding citizens who have done no wrong, or the corrupt so-called "public servants" who disavow their oath of allegiance to the Constitution and victimize their own fellow man?

In what category should we place cowardly anonymous posters who oppose the righteous and write in defense of the crooks?

Hmmmm?

1:20 AM  
Blogger Nameless said...

"Why don't you start by revealing to us who you are. And if you aren't willing to reveal who you are then at least we know who you aren't. You aren't a true Human being. You are merely an deceptive excuse that's masquarading as a Human being."

Funny how desperate you are in trying to identify anyone who disagrees with you, but make so similar effort to ID those who agree.

You, in the name of peace, love, and Christianity, are enabling those who call for murder. I wonder how you sleep at night.

1:35 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Noone on this site is calling for Murder... And I sleep just fine at night, That is when I'm not having nightmares about Government Attrocities!

Self Defense... Is not Murder.

Ed has the Right, Under the Constitution... To Defend His Life and His Property against the Corrupt FED.

Our State Government is supposed to PROTECT THE PEOPLE against just this sort or attrocity.

But instead... It is the Fed, Who now Governs, and totally controls our Congress... Our Senators, and our Courts. This is not... how it's supposed to be!

Nameless... Why don't you just go and join the ranks of the Evil and the Corrupt...

And by the way... No one gives a damn who you are.

If you're not a Patriot... Then you are nothing to us... And you are nothing... to your Family.

If this was your Mother and Father in Ed and Elaines Position... You would Certainly be Betraying them to the Federal Government.

But I See... That as long as it's NOT your Family Name being dragged through the mud... You have not a care in the world.

3:47 PM  

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