Wednesday, February 14, 2007

The Creators of This Blog Have REMOVED OUR SUPPORT FROM ED BROWN

We just got off the phone with Ed Brown. He claims we are no longer supporting him which is false on it's face. There are individuals inside Ed's home who have been spreading lies about Jim, the creator or EdBrown.org, and now these lies have been attached to the people who have been supporting Ed & Elaine at this blog.

As a result, we are respectfully withdrawing our support from Ed and Elaine Brown. Aaron Russo will NOT be appearing on the Republic Broadcasting Network show today. We will NOT be supporting Ed & Elaine in distributing thousands of copies of Aaron's movie throughout New Hampshire. Ed seems to be on a destructive course and there's nothing we can do to stop this.

102 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just as well, since Ed has said several times that Aaron Russo is "an asshole".

Ed and Elaine are just two tax cheats, nothing more and nothing less. They didn't have a good reason not to pay taxes, which is why they didn't even attempt to put on a defense.

At least Irwin Schiff, by contrast, really believed in his position. Ed and Elaine never believed in any position, they just wanted not to pay taxes and started looking for a theory only after they were convicted.

There is a good reason why less than a half-dozen people have come to Ed's support: He's a nut. Finally, you too figure this out.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Dan said...

Your comments are very unwise and very unfair. Whatever Ed Brown is or is not, he is 100% correct in stating that there is no law making him liable for Federal Income Taxes and this is true for about 97% of the people of this nation. Let us put aside the personalities of such matters and look at what is the truth and what is a lie. We need to forgive one another in our faults and errors especially during times of great difficulty and trial. You speak so easy from the comfort of your home unimpeaded. Now, either there is a law making Ed Brown liable, or there isn't. Who is the liar here?
Who is the cheat here?
Can you answer that question?

1:27 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

I don't believe Ed is a nut. I believe Ed is under a lot of stress, more than any of us realize, more than he realizes.

Fred alludes to a certain someone also poisoning his relationship with Ed. I know that the certain someone has poisoned my relationship with Ed, but I am going to continue on, with or without Ed's endorsement. I have to. I see that they were not given a fair trial, that the jury was not instructed as to the law, and I see the court's and the prosecution's criminal efforts to hide the fact that there appears to be no law.

I have been sifting throught he case since 6am this morning... every court document I can get my hands on, and I see it, plain as day.

I will be posting a draft of my findings with supporting documentation on EdBrown.Org sometime today, hopefully.

It is a long drawn out process, reading, finding, footnoting, linking to online documents, etc, but it will be worth a read when it is done.

Ed and Elaine may not have put on the best defense, but the prosecution put out no REAL case. Without showing the "law" there is no case.

1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the tremendous amount of stress this man [Ed Brown and wife] is under why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt? Good gracious, work it out. There has never been a better opportunity to engage so many people on such an important issue. If you don't work this out you are going to make many people look like fools... including yourselves.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoever wrote the comment is obviously il-informed or a government agent! The reason being simply that the Browns DID, IN FACT, attempt to 'put on a defense'; however, he was railroaded in a kangaroo court & that is exactly why he didn't attend the last couple days of his the court proceedings!

If anyone doesn't believe the foregoing to be true, look @ the official court transcripts & you'll see that virtually every motion to enter evidence &/or witnessess, by the Browns, was UNfairly denied by the judge!

1:36 PM  
Blogger J said...

First of all, my purpose with the following question is not to demean Ed one iota. I merely wish to put into context the "!%$*ole" comment to Aaron Russo.

Would anyone be able to post a link to said audioblog, so I may give it a listen?

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, just to be clear, does this mean that we're NOT going to be seeing "a war, the likes of which this world has never seen before" as Mr. Brown promised some time ago in a TV interview?

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are the supporters doing up at the compound in the 3 feet of snow?

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

please dont stop this blog?!!!

We need this. What can we do to continue it?

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would you not pass out the AFTF movies even though you and Ed are bickering?

I pass out movies and I don't even know Ed.

Also, can you elaborate on what you mean by "destructive", and who exactly are the ones with destruction on their mind?

2:18 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

You know what... I think that is cop out! If You're mad at Ed Brown... Don't take it out on We The People by not distributing Aaron's Movie! Not Distributing Aaron's Movie only serves to hinder the People from learning the truth about Taxes. What are you? A Fed?

Oh... I'm sorry... You must be working for the IRS. Only someone that Blind, and with that much Motive, would try to stop Aaron's Movie from being Distributed in NH!

In case You've forgotten... This is not Just about Ed and Elaine Brown! It's about Your Children and Mine, Growing up and becomming a Slave as we have been, only with a microchip inside them to prevent any escape from it.

The reason only 6-12 People have shown up, is because they're all scared, Blackmailed by the Government, or Work for the Govt. Which one are You? If you're not going to be part of the solution, then that makes you part of the problem. And it matters not when in someone’s life they choose to do research on tax laws and the Constitution. The bottom line is this... They Chose to research and learn this simple fact: American Citizens who only derive income from within the U.S. are not now, and never have been Taxable by way of income Tax.

Our State Government is supposed to aid We The People in bringing The FEDERAL GOVT. to justice. The Federal Govt. derives all of it's Power from the Constitution of the United States, and From We the People. When the Fed tries to usurp our Rights and Liberties... When the FED Abuses it’s Power, or Claims ANY Authority not Granted by The Constitution, Our State Government and Federal Judges are supposed to help We The People to Set them straight... (By granting DUE PROCESS, and By (Allowing ALL the statutes to be read in light of the Constitution!) You...(being angry with Ed Brown) Are Acting just like the Federal Govt... Vindictive and Destructive of this Man's Rights under the Constitution, and Vindictive of Other's (Aaron Russo) Who share the Same Feelings as ED BROWN About illegal Taxes imposed on Americans. If You cannot see this... Then you know nothing of the Constitution, and are as ignorant as the Lawmakers who Continue to allow the Abuse of the Constitution by the Federal Government and the IRS. And since You’ve Basically now Become a two faced, Crooked, Govt. Supporter, Nothing you say in Defence of “We The People” will be heard or listened to by “WE THE PEOPLE” And, since You supposedly started out speaking FOR “We The People”,
The Government won’t trust you either. You My Homely Friend… Simply do not know what you Believe in.

Let's Face a simple Fact here... 1913 was not that long ago People... But it's just long enough for the Federal Government to have almost completely burried the truth! My point is this... Your Grandmother's Grandmother NEVER had to pay an Income Tax!!! So why the hell are we paying it now? I give to You: "Theft by Deception" "The Law that Never Was" "America, Freedom to Fascism" And finally... People who care about the Truth not only for themselves, But for you and yours... ie. (ED BROWN). So if you are so torn as to your own beliefs, The go join the masses of scared little sheep that the Federal Government has corralled in this Great Country, and Live under their shadow forever, Believing the GREAT LIE.


Below is a Blog I Posted last week:

Check out a google video called "Theft by Deception"
And watch the whole thing!

This is a good Link: http://www.3rdear.com/861info/ - Outstanding Video!

This is the only Tax Law Video the FEDERAL GOVT. is afraid of today. It is the only one which actually has the Potential to Take Down the Federal Reserve. If you want to become a Truely Informed Citizen, you must not only watch Aaron Russo's "AFTF", but You must also consider the undeniable truth of "Theft by Deception" as well ad Bill Benson's "The Law that Never was"

Only after alot of carefull Research, can We Prove Ourselves and bring the Truth of the Constitution to Light once again... and even then, We must carefully choose an appropriate means of Presenting our evidence to the People of this Great Nation.

In reviewing the Brown's Case, I have discovered a few of Eds Motions that the Presiding Judge was in fact, obligated to Grant... If you Research the NH STATE CONSTITUTION, then review Ed Brown's Case, You will see this to be Evident.

Of coarse I do Believe in a Fair Trial, And no... I do not think the Brown's recieved a Fair Trial. Hell... You couldn't call it anything more than a complete defiling of the Constitution.

In these Cases, the law is clear... Under 1.61-1... Every Statute has to be read! The Judge Absolutely denied this to the Brown's and in fact... Railroaded them! Let's not forget here... That our State Government is supposed to Protect it's People from Federal Govt. Harrassment or injustice.

I would submit to you all, the possibility that this Judge was Elected by You, to Protect Your Const. Rights and Liberties, Yet Paid off by the Federal Govt. or the IRS itself, to not allow the Evidence submitted by the Browns.

If I was this Judge now... I would tread very lighty around Topics of Tax Law vs. Constitional Law... And I certainly would be Living within Library of Congress, READING THE REAL LAW... Because if they DID... I have no doubt that the Browns would have Justice.

The Evidence on Taxes is Clear. Not Complicated at all. IF YOU DERIVE YOUR INCOME SOLELY FROM THE U.S., AND ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WHO IS NOT A BENIFICIARY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (you work in the private sector) YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX! END OF STORY. BUT YOU DO STILL HAVE TO FILE! IF DONE CORRECTLY, YOU WILL GET ALL FEDERAL WITHHOLDING BACK!
LEGAL TAXATION IS APPORTIONED AMONG THE STATES OF AMERICA. FEDERAL TAX CAN ONLY BE IMPOSED ON INCOME DERIVED FROM OUTSIDE THE U.S., OR ON INCOME DERIVED FROM INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE U.S., AND EVEN THEN ONLY ON FOREIGN CORPORATIONS OR, MORE APPROPRIATELY, FOREIGN CORPORATE GAINS.

Anyone who wishes to debate this with me should visit the Library of Congress, and watch "Theft by Deception" before mailing me.

Besides... I cannot Convince you! Educate Yourself! And instead of trying to Convince Others, Just encourage them to do the same.

I Do not However, recommend Throwing yourself Head First into the Big Toe of the Federal Government.

NH does not have a Regulated Militia, as it should. Our Constitutional Rights to form a Militia were Adopted into the Constitution for this very Reason. For times when Not only the Federal, But the STATE GOVERNMENT denies us the right to Submit Evidence on our Behalf. Our Right to form a WELL REGULATED MILITIA was Bestowed upon the People as our "DUTY" to put Corrupt forms of Government out of Power.

I Believe however, that what Ed needs most is a good Speaker on his behalf...A better Video/Storyline Editor, and a few Amateur Radio enthusiasts to help spread the word. You can be sure Ed's Case is being Contained Locally by the Govt. and Mainstream Media....

If you really want to help Ed and Elaine Brown... Leave all the talk of Guns and Gas Masks out when considering how to Help in their Defence.

Consider for a moment... What will help them more?... 20 Men Armed with Weapons? 50 Men? or perhapse, the same amount of Men Armed with only the Constitution of the U.S., the "Theft by Deception" Video, and a shit load of Cameras and Radio Equiptment?

C'mon People... This is an age of Information and Technology... An age where Slow Scan Television and Radio waves can expidite Information faster than by any other means! Any Amateur Radio Tech, General or Extra class Licensee Should help this man.

The FCC does not Prohibit discussions of Politics, Religion or Economics, as long as you Operate within their Guidelines, your Equiptment and Logs are kept in accordance with their Rules. This of coarse includes all regulations regarding MPE (Max. Permissable Exposure) of RF Energy.

Thanks for your time...

- TrueLogic

2:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waaaa, I'm not going to pass out movies because Ed is mad at me, waaaaa.

You are pathetic.

Waaaaaa, we're shutting down the blog, waaaaaa.

You Dan or whoever is running this blog are nothing but selfish loosers.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why there's never any valid patriot movement in this country.... because it always turns to in-fighting and this blog is a perfect example of that fact.

Not even a month and its falling apart.

You cannot even get 10 people to show up at Eds, which is even more pathetic.

2:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the operator of this blog is true to their cause, they will NOT shut this blog site down because the overall benefit towards the cause, which you claim, WILL remain in effect... regardless of your indifferences to Mr. Brown!!!

2:48 PM  
Blogger J said...

Thank you TrueLogic.

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no reason to stop supporting this blog. Step back, breath deeply and realize that it is NOT your life and your property on the line at this time. It is Ed Brown's life and Elaines freedom. I think some consideration should be given to the situation and the focus continue on informing the people.

This type of behavior is one of the reasons that we will find ourselves without a country. United we stand ... Divided we fall.

Reconcile your differences, shake hands, accept others for whom they are and CONTINUE to move forward calling attention to this situation, educating the public.

There is simply NO TIME OR ENERGY AVAILABLE TO DEAL WITH PERSONALITY CONFLICTS.

STAY FOCUSED ON THE GOAL WHICH IS TO PREVENT VIOLENCE, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND IN THE BEST OF ALL WORLDS BRING SO MUCH INFORMATION PUBLIC THAT 1 MILLION MARCH ON WASHINGTON D.C. AND CLEAN HOUSE!

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Fred & Ed Show Inbox

1:55 pm (4 minutes ago)

Fred, great job on your "attempt" to help out Ed Brown. Too bad he went off the deep end (or maybe he was there all along) You are doing a hell-of-a-job coordinating, monitoring and reporting on all that you do. Don't feel too bad about Ed, he chose his path long ago it seems.

Hopefully he won't drag others along with him. It may be worth
considering him as a potential aggravator working for the other side - who knows. It's a dirty, dirty information war we've got here.

Take Care
Todd

3:01 PM  
Anonymous NsurgNtR3b3L said...

Petty bickering and internal dissention have been the down fall of many. Do I believe that JiminNy is a blackmailer?? No! Do I believe that Anthony is a spy for the Feds?? No! What I do see is the breakdown of unit cohesion via mistrust and miscommunication a truly sad state of affairs. I havent seen any proof of the assertions Ive seen made on some of these blogs. And I dont see that anyone has been hurt by them. A bunch of he said she said bullshit as far as im concerned. that can only serve to remove the focus from the true issues of the day. Do the readers and supporters from home and around the world a favor and "Man the fuck up"! Divide and conquer is a basic military principle dont fall victim to the oldest trick in the book!

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""If we can't look past our little differences and help form a broad front that hammers
on the fact that Ed Brown can't get a fair trial and that the courts
have corrupted the law etc. then we will be ineffective.
Nobody in the major media will give us a fair article at this point and
violence will only poison things further.""

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHat happened to the Wesley Snipes "Mistaken Identity" videos on youtube?

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"either there is a law making Ed Brown liable, or there isn't."

There is: It is at 26 U.S.C. section 1. No serious legal or constitutional scholar disagrees, nor does the U.S. Supreme Court.

Merely repeating over and over "There is no law" is not going to make that lie come true.

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Lots of good comments here. The great thing is that we don't need to like each other or even get along, as long as we focus on the goal: Freedom.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Russell Kanning said...

Thank you for supporting Ed and Elaine Brown up until this point. I hope you will change your mind sometime soon and continue to help get the word out about their stuggle versus the evil IRS.

Ed worried about my friend (Dave Ridley) for a week or so, then changed his mind and apologized. Maybe you guys can get along later too.

Ed and Elaine Brown are still being persecuted by the feds, so I will support them.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fuck?

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Bulletinman said...

Say what? Listen up People who created this blog, you are doing exactly what "they" want you to do. How can you withdraw you support, sure Ed is under a little stress, he is only about to lose his life first and foremost, how many of you are willing to lay down his life? Jesus said the greatest love anyone has is to lay down his life for his friends. Everybody wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die! Ed is willing to die for this cause. You are withdrawing your support, how about laying down your life? They may take Ed's life (which "they" will pay for with their lifes, you indeed reap what you sow, God is not mocked) We all need to stick together on this matter. Thurston's idea is correct we must maintain credibility, how much of that will you have if you take down this Blog. I have visited with this site since the day it went up and have found it to be a Blessing to the cause. I to listen to yesterday's show and found it to be in the wrong spirit. Ed has done everything he can to maintain this cause. It is crediable it is the TRUTH. Listen folks no one wants violence but you can file all the paper work you want and your paperwork can be right on but our adversery doesn't care what the law is. They believe that they are the law. Why do you think the founders of this country gave us the 2nd in event that didn't heed the 1st that is why

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Thurston's idea is correct we must maintain credibility"

That battle was lost a couple of weeks ago when Ed started ranting about The Illuminati and other kook conspiracy theories.

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No serious legal or constitutional scholar disagrees"

"Serious" is a qualifying statement that only serves to label those who disagree with the IRS's opinion as "not serious" while avoiding the fact that many Constitutional scholars do, in fact undertand that the IRS is crooked, you just don't think they're serious.

That statement only proves YOUR ignorance in an attempt to protray those who study the Constitution as siding with those who aim to destroy it. But, in order to destroy something, it sure would be heplful to study it. I'll bet that's who you've listened to.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Illuminati and other kook conspiracy theories."

you are dumb as a fucking door-nail...yes, the illuminati, right here you jackass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

4:17 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

I apologize... I should've specified that My 1st Comment was directed only to:

"The Creators of This Blog Who Have REMOVED THEIR SUPPORT FROM ED BROWN"
And from "We The People"

You must not Believe too strongly about anything, when You so easily give up fighting for those Beliefs.

Other People have put their very Lives on the Line, in order to hand you the Ball they've been carrying, and they expect you to run with it, and pass it on... Not Drop it. People like You are just as dangerous to Our Cause as the IRS itself... Because people who give up that easily on their Beliefs can also be Bought.
We all appreciate your efforts to create this Blog, But if you never Believed in the Cause to begin with... Then why did you Create it in the 1st place? And why then would you not allow Aaron's Movie to be distributed in NH? Being Mad at Ed Brown is not an excuse to take it out on Aaron Russo. I believe that you have been Compromised by Govt. Officials, Shut down, warned, and then told what to do.
If you cannot think for yourself... If you do not believe in the Constitution of the U.S... And if you Help to Conceal the TRUTH... Then you are simply a Brainless, Moral-less Puppet whose strings are being manipulated by the Fingers of Government.

If however this is not the Case, then you will leave the Blog in place.
Truth be told... This blog only exists because the FED allows it in the 1st place. They will use your blog to compile a list of Constitutional Believers, and then they will Monitor all of us under the PATRIOT and MILLITARY COMMISSIONS ACTS. Those who speak too Boldly, and try to organize will be hindered in their efforts, if not Arrested, and labeled "enemy combatant" or "Enemy of the State".

They will Gather their information using "Carnivore" in conjunction with ther "DCS2000 system" and by monitoring all phone conversations placed or recieved. THE GOVT CAN LISTEN TO YOU THROUGH YOUR CELL PHONE, EVEN IF IT IS TURNED OFF! as proof of this, here is a link... Watch this video clip. Also know... That as I am Licensed in Amateur Radio, I know this to be Factual information.

Please keep your Blog open to the Public. And More importantly Sir... Please keep Firm Hold of your Beliefs. The only thing you could Possibly trade them for... Is your Soul.

4:25 PM  
Blogger Cheryl said...

This matter has to do with two different missions. The mission of AFTF is to inform people, so that people can make up their own minds about how to deal with the corruption within the federal and state governments of this country. Ed Brown’s mission, and I have had many interactions with him about this, currently seems stuck on only a militant approach. If AFTF remains attached at the hip to Ed Brown, the public may consider that AFTF endorses militancy, or is utilizing the DVD to incite militancy. Ed DOES have an option other than fighting this matter in court. Read about it within an article that I’ve written on Ed’s situation on my website: www.WeThePeopleHaveThePower.org

4:29 PM  
Blogger J said...

TrueLogic said:
"as proof of this, here is a link..."

-----

Not to be a party pooper... but I didn't see a link! I've heard of this ability before. I'd just like to read what you found.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bilderbergs, right, right. Were they the ones who landed in that space ship outside of Roswell, or are they the ones doing the aerial spraying of mind-control drugs via jet contrails? Are the Bilderbergs still hiding in their secret lair in Loch Ness?

No wonder the mainstream media portrays Ed Brown to be a kook -- HE IS!!!

But please keep it up, Ed, because you are doing more make the tax protestors look like a bunch of conspiracy kooks than anybody else has done in a long time!

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, Ed talks a big game about resistance, but he'll fold like a cheap tent when the U.S. Marshals finally come calling -- lambasting all you people out there for not giving him "more support" so that he could find his backbone.

You watch, Ed will be a "chickenpatriot" in the end.

4:36 PM  
Anonymous bulletinman said...

Is there anything other than a military solution? Let us try, here goes attention Federal Government Employees you all have sworn an oath to the Constitution and to the People of the America. You are not honoring that oath and you are still cashing your paycheck. That is wrong, you all know it and WE all know it. Please quit your job or uphold your oath? If you support/condone our government and what "they" have become than you are a Traitor and stand guilty of Sedition. Please quit and give up your power so We the people don't have to shoot you! Now lets see how many of the Fed's are gong to quit.

4:39 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

10-17-06: President Bush signs into law one that does not exist!
On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush signs into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006, or that's what he thinks along with most every one else including Congress, but he signed it 14 countable days after Congress adjourned, thus failing to return a bill that violated Article I, Section 9, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constition.
9-30-2006: Leaving behind a pile of unfinished work, members of the scandal-rocked U.S. Congress adjourned and went home on Saturday to ask voters to re-elect them in five weeks. - Reuters

The House passed S. 3930 with a 250-170 vote on 9/29/06.

Here are the Constitutional violations:
Article I. - The Legislative Branch; Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
Article I. - The Legislative Branch; Section 9 - Limits on Congress
Article II. - The Executive Branch; Section 4 - Disqualification

Watch soon for more of the revealing information of our President.
Article I. - The Legislative Branch; Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Violation: President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006 - 4 days beyond the Constitional limit of Congress' adjournment, thus being an accessory to treason.

Article I. - The Legislative Branch; Section 9 - Limits on Congress
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Violation: The Military Commissions Act of 2006 denies any person from any civil rights.
`Sec. 948b. Military commissions generally
`(g) Geneva Conventions Not Establishing Source of Rights- No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.
Violation: The Military Commissions Act of 2006 includes those that may have already been charged with some crime.
`Sec. 948a. Definitions
`In this chapter:
`(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- (A) The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means--
`(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.
`Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions
`(a) Jurisdiction- A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001


DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE IMPLICATIONS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IMPACT THIS HAS ON YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?

Consider this:
10-17-06: Bush is Now EXEMPT from Treason Charges
Any person that requests to have Treason charges made against President Bush, or any Congressman, has now been declared as an enemy combatant.
Today, 135 years to the day after the last American President (Ulysses S. Grant) suspended habeas corpus, President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
Kent Hovind conducts the most popular broadcast on Truth Radio. October 17 begins a Federal Court trial in Pensacola, Florida.
And now he and his wife can be considered enemy combatants.
He is currently charged with 58 federal crimes, including separate counts of making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints and tax evasion.

DO YOU THINK BUSH IS GUILTY OF TREASON? HE PASSED A BILL INTO LAW (THE MILLITARY COMMISSIONS ACT) THAT CONGRESS NEVER RETURNED TO HIM! THEREFORE... IT IS NOT LAW! THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT... CANNOT MAKE LAWS WITHOUT CONGRESS APPROVAL! SO WHY THEN DID MR. BUSH DO EXACTLY THAT? AND WHY DID CONGRESS NOT CHALLENGE HIM ON THAT? BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW OWNS CONGRESS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

4:41 PM  
Anonymous bulletinman said...

Hey anonymous

Just which agency do you work for? Why don't you e-mail me and we can discuss your mental health bulletinman@hotmail.com

4:43 PM  
Anonymous bulletinman said...

Hey anonymous

Just which agency do you work for? Why don't you e-mail me and we can discuss your mental health bulletinman@hotmail.com

4:43 PM  
Anonymous loobiecore said...

"You watch, Ed will be a "chickenpatriot" in the end."

wow, trolling websites, spewing negativity like a real 'anonymous' man...taking grace and maturity to whole new level...a level only youtube commenters would be jealous of...witty, charming, and exuding brilliance...

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good! One less kook conspiracy blog.

Why don't you just delete the blog now instead of crying on about it.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is edbrown.org still supporting Ed? That would be kind of ironic if the one guy supporting Ed was the won he was spreading lies about. This situation might make Ed think twice about his attitude.

Really though I do understand where Ed is coming from. But It seems he is shooting himself in the foot here.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ego-oriented and an illogical choice to stop supporting Ed Brown.

Disappointing, to say the least.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Is there anything other than a military solution? "

Panama!

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ed Brown is THE problem here. He has no idea what he is doing. One day he's going one way the next he's moving another way.

He does not even know who to trust in his own group of people. What a moron.

He thought thousands of people were going to jump up and run to NH to surround his house.

Yeah right! No one cares. America is long gone and has been for a very long time. A bunch of "patriot" bloggers is not going to change anything at all as you can clearly see by the massive LACK of response already.

Running around the streets holding a bunch of cardboard signs is like trying to put out a forrest fire with a mouthful of water.

Ed is going to end up dead or in jail. By the way he acts he'll probably be dead and everyone will forget all about his so called stance just like they did with waco etc.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous jim said...

Ed Brown.Org is still behind Ed.

5:05 PM  
Blogger whynot said...

I'm with you truelogic. Please understand, we are having an awful winter here in the northeast the support is online. People are watching, praying and waiting. I believe in Schiff, Russo, Benson and others as I'm sure Ed and Elaine do. Stress is as evil as ignorance. It eats from the inside out. We need to stick together. Divide and conquer, Create chaos to gain control is a government motive, lets not fall into their trap any deeper.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous bulletinman said...

Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Panama well, I thought about that but you see when you are right why should you run.

I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

5:08 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

A Famous Quote:

Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes."
-Thomas Paine

Illuminati (Present Day)
List of Skull and Bones members within Govt. and Politics
* Victor Ashe (1967), Tenn. State House (1968-1975); Tenn. State Senate (1976-1984); Mayor of Knoxville, Tenn. (1988-2003); appointed Ambassador to Poland (2004-Present) by George W. Bush
* Roy Leslie Austin (1968), Appointed ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago by George W. Bush
* Howard M. Baldridge (1918) - U.S. Representative (R-Nebraska 1931-1933)
* Simeon Eben Baldwin (1861), Governor and Chief Justice, State of Connecticut; son of Roger Sherman Baldwin
* Jonathan Brewster Bingham (1936), U.S. Representative (D-New York 1965-1983); Council on Foreign Relations
* William Bissell, Governor of Illinois (1857-1860); brother of Richard M. Bissell, Jr.)
* David Boren (1963), Governor of Oklahoma, U.S. Senator, President of the University of Oklahoma
* Augustus Brandegee (1849), Speaker of the Connecticut State Legislature in 1861
* Frank Bosworth Brandegee (1885), U.S. Representative (R-Connecticut 1902-1905); U.S. Senator (R-Connecticut 1905-1924)
* James L. Buckley (1944), U.S. Senator (R-New York 1971-1977)
* McGeorge Bundy (1940), Special Assistant for National Security Affairs; National Security Advisor; Professor of History
* William P. Bundy (1939), State Department liaison for the Bay of Pigs invasion
* George H. W. Bush (1948), 41st President of the United States; 43rd Vice-President of the United States; son of Prescott Bush; father of George W. Bush
* George W. Bush (1968), 43rd President of the United States; Governor of Texas
* Prescott Bush (1916), Father of George H.W. Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush
* John Chafee (1947), U.S. Senator; Secretary of the Navy and Governor of Rhode Island; father of Lincoln Chafee
* John Sherman Cooper (1923), U.S. Senator (R-Kentucky 1946-1949, 1952-73); member of the Warren Commission
* Hugh Cunningham (1934), Rhodes Scholar; CIA
* F. Trubee Davison (1918), Director of Personnel at the CIA
* Endicott Peabody Davison (1948), George H.W. Bush lawyer
* Chauncey Depew (1855), U.S. Senator (R-New York 1899-1911)
* Richard Dale Drain (1943), CIA; co-authored early paper proposing the Bay of Pigs invasion, "A Program of Covert Action against the Castro Regime"
* William Henry Draper III (1950), Chair of United Nations Development Programme and Import-Export Bank of the United States
* William Maxwell Evarts (1837), U.S. Secretary of State; Attorney General; Senator; grandson of Roger Sherman
* Evan G. Galbraith (1950), Ambassador to France; managing director of Morgan Stanley
* William Henry Gleason (1853), Lt. Governor of Florida; founder of Eau Gallie, Florida; lawyer and land speculator
* Averell Harriman (1913), U.S. Ambassador and Secretary of Commerce; Governor of New York; Chairman and CEO of the Union Pacific Railroad, Brown Brothers & Harriman, and the Southern Pacific Railroad; wife Pamela Churchill Harriman helped fund Bill Clinton's presidential campaign
* H. J. Heinz II (1931), Heir to H. J. Heinz Company; father of H. John Heinz III
* William Jorden (1925), U.S. Ambassador to Panama; National Security Council
* John Kerry (1966), U.S. Senator (D-Massachusetts 1985-present); Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts 1983-1985; 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee
* Charles Edwin Lord (1949), U.S. Comptroller of the Currency
* Winston Lord (1959), Chairman of Council on Foreign Relations; Ambassador to China; Assistant U.S. Secretary of State
* Robert A. Lovett (1918), Partner of Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman; Secretary of Defense; "Father of the CIA"
* Robert McCallum, Jr (1968), Ambassador to Australia
* Lee McClung (1892), Yale Treasurer 1904-1909; U.S. Treasurer 1909-1912
* Gifford Pinchot (1889), First Chief of U.S. Forest Service
* Dino Pionzio (1950), CIA Deputy Chief of Station during Allende overthrow
* Potter Stewart (1936), U.S. Supreme Court Justice
* William Howard Taft (1878), 27th President of the United States; Chief Justice of the United States; Secretary of War; son of Alphonso Taft
* Robert A. Taft (1910), U.S. Senator (R-Ohio 1939-1953)
* Morrison R. Waite (1837), U.S. Supreme Court Justice
* Howard Weaver (1945), CIA
* Edward Baldwin Whitney (1878), New York Supreme Court Justice
* William Collins Whitney (1863), U.S. Secretary of the Navy; New York City financier



And for further Confirmation:

The top repetitive families in Skull and Bones are known because in 1985 a disgruntled Skull and Bones member leaked rosters to a private researcher, Antony C. Sutton. Many people believe that the membership of Skull and Bones had been totally secret.

However the membership for each year is held in the Yale University archives.The membership rosters cover the years 1833-1985, with some additional years.

This original leaked 1985 data was kept privately for over 15 years, as Sutton feared that the xeroxed pages could somehow identify the member who leaked it. The information was finally reformatted as an appendix in the book Fleshing out Skull and Bones by editor, researcher, and writer Kris Millegan, who published it in 2003.

The data shows that certain families have been well represented, and that these happen to be related to each other as well - such as the Cheney family, Taft family, Whitney family, Walker family, and Adams family. Other subordinate members are often related to these families.


Other core family names are common. However, not all initiates in these families are as interrelated as the above group. This second category of core families covers such names as Smith, Allen, Brown, Clark, White, Day, Johnson, Jones, Miller, Stewart, Thompson, Cheney, Taft, Williams.
For an example of the predilection of certain core families being embedded in Skull and Bones (or vice versa), here are the top 15 families in Skull and Bones with 10+ Members (over 1833-1985, with occasional later years available:

* Smith (15)
* Walker (15)
* Allen (13)
* Brown (13)
* Clark (12)
* White (12)
* Day (11)
* Johnson (11)
* Jones (11)
* Miller (11)
* Stewart (11)
* Thompson (11)
* Cheney (10)
* Taft (10)
* Williams (10)

The Skull and Bones Tomb was rumored to hold Geronimo's skull, which inspired Native American activist and Apache chief Ned Anderson to try to force a search and a DNA test. He would face many obstacles. As a Yale student in 1918, Prescott Bush, former Connecticut Senator, father of President George H. W. Bush and grandfather to President George W. Bush, had dug up the skull himself with two other students from its federal burial ground at Fort Sill, Oklahoma and presented it as a gift to the fraternity.

The FBI refused to enter the fray unless Anderson removed himself from the investigation and turned over any evidence he had, an offer Anderson refused. Anderson then claimed, with several pieces of evidence, that he had met with Jonathan Bush, the brother of then-Vice-President George H. W. Bush, who presented the infamous skull.
So Don't exclude entirely the "Illuminati Theory" until once again... you have done your HomeWork!
The top repetitive families in Skull and Bones are known because in 1985 a disgruntled Skull and Bones member leaked rosters to a private researcher, Antony C. Sutton. Many people believe that the membership of Skull and Bones had been totally secret. This original leaked 1985 data was kept privately for over 15 years, as Sutton feared that the xeroxed pages could somehow identify the member who leaked it. The information was finally reformatted as an appendix in the book Fleshing out Skull and Bones by editor, researcher, and writer Kris Millegan, who published it in 2003.

Need More Proof? Here you go:

Now, the goal of the Skulls and Bones is the same as all secret
societies to form an one-world government or the New World Order as soon
as possible with whatever means as possible. Many government officals
are part of the Skulls and Bones like:

-Sen. Jonathan Binghan (D.-N.M.)
-David Buren (D-Okla) is chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
He was iniatied in 1963.
-Sen. John Chaffe (R-R.I.), Former Navy Secretary and on the Senate
Intelligence Committee.
-Sen. John Heinz (R.-PA.) was killed in an airplane crash and
his father was a Bonesman. The Heinz family has one of the largest food
producing companies in the world.
-Sen. John Kerry (D. Mass.)-Formerly on the Senate Intelligence
Committee, Kerry is now on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He
was initiated in 1966.
-Sen. Arlen Spector.

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Published on Thursday, January 22, 2004 by Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now!
Skull & Bones: The Secret Society That Unites John Kerry and President Bush
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ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: Little to none. And when people have tried to ask him about it, he clams up. I heard this second hand. I didn't actually watch the show myself. I don't know how reliably to take this, but somebody told me that Kerry was asked by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" directly about Skull and Bones, and according to the person who saw this he said, Kerry looked like he was about to pass out. He wouldn't say a word. People don't think much about Kerry and Bones. I think partly because for George W. Bush, his Skull and Bones connections sort of work with the whole theory that he's riding his father's coattails and that he has gotten his way in life because of his connections, which I would agree with, and which I have traced in secrets of the tomb, to align closely with his Skull and Bones connections. He turned to Skull and Bones throughout his career for help. Even his Rangers deal, which is supposed to be the one thing he achieved on his own, had at least one Bonesman involved. Kerry has not relied on Skull and Bones. He hasn't made it a huge part of his life in terms of something that would boost his career or really put the -- propel him although he has turned to Skull and Bones in his personal life. But Kerry has been just as involved as Bush, I think. Although he will be as quick to deny that as the president will.

AMY GOODMAN: Does it matter to Skull and Bones who wins this presidential race?

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: No. That's a good question and one that I asked many Bonesmen and the way they describe it is a win-win situation. As long as there's a Bonesman in the White House there are going to be many more Bonesmen in the administration.

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: That�s a good question. I could go look up his Skull and Bones bio, but they basically choose people who they -- whom they believe will reflect honor and prestige back on the society. They are basically trying to figure out, okay, who is the who's who here of the Yale junior class who is going to be the most successful. One other thing interesting about Kerry that I wanted to mention is that both of his wives have been directly related to members of Skull and Bones. A sister and daughter which is another connection to Skull and Bones that people don't usually know about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bon...



Both U.S. President George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.

Bush reportedly appointed 11 Skull and Bones members to his Administration in his first term. Their names are Evan Griffith Galbraith (S&B 1950), William H. Donaldson (S&B 1953), George Herbert Walker III (S&B 1953), Jack Edwin McGregor (S&B 1956), Victor Ashe (S&B 1967), Roy Leslie Austin (S&B 1968), Robert McCallum, Jr. (S&B 1968), Rex Cowdry (S&B 1968), Edward E. McNally (S&B 1979), David Batshaw Wiseman (S&B 1984), and James Emanuel Boasberg (S&B 1985) <2>

Various U.S. Senators and Congressmen have been members of Skull and Bones, the following list includes a few bonesmen who served as U.S. Congressman: Thomas W. L. Ashley (S&B 1948), Jonathan Brewster Bingham (S&B 1936), David Boren (S&B 1963), Frank B. Brandegee (S&B 1885), James Buckley (S&B 1944), Prescott Bush (S&B 1917), William Wallace Crapo (S&B 1886), John Chaffee (S&B 1947), LeBaron Bradford Colt (S&B 1868), John Sherman Cooper (S&B 1923), Lowndes Henry Davis (S&B 1860), Clarence Deming (S&B 1872), Chauncey Depew (S&B 1856), Benjamin Tucker Eames (S&B 1843), Constantine Canaris Esty (S&B 1845), William Maxwell Evarts (S&B 1837), Orris S. Ferry (S&B 1844), Charles Newell Fowler (S&B 1876), Richard Jacobs Haldeman (S&B 1851), James William Husted (S&B 1892), Stephen Wright Kellogg (S&B 1846), John Forbes Kerry (S&B 1967), Thruston Ballard Morton (S&B 1954), Morehead Patterson (S&B 1920), Robert A. Taft I (S&B 1910), John Martin Vorys, (S&B 1918), James Jeremiah Wadsworth (S&B 1927) and William Barrett Washburn (S&B 1844).

The following members of Skull and Bones served as Secretaries of Commerce. President Reagan appointed Malcolm Baldridge, while President Truman appointed William Averell Harriman. Rogers Morton, the brother of Thruston B. Morton (S&B 1954) served both as Secretary of the Interior and Secretary of Commerce. Both he and his brother Thruston served as Chairman of the Republican Party, Thruston from 1959 to 1961 and Rogers from 1969 to 1971. As noted in the above paragraph both Rogers and Thruston served as U.S. Senators. Rogers would also serve in the House of Representatives.other websites:

http://www.geocities.com/Capitol Hill/8425?BONES.HTM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/020904presiden...

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/05/161116...

http://www/wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skul...

http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html


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5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of this doesn't remove the fact that the Constitution clearly authorizes the government to tax its citizens and that the 16th amendment allows the government to levy an income tax.

The federal tax code levies that tax and provides penalties for those who do not pay. Ed and Elaine didn't pay. They were sued by the government for the repayment of those taxes and lost.

Ed and Elaine have taken a stand that has led them to criminal activity. That they should reap the consequences does not come as a surprise.

5:45 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

I-

The link I speak of is the FBI Monitoring Cell Phones. You can watch this video at this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQBLTpnZec

The other Point I made, is that Not filing a return, tells them basically that you are Guilty of what they Claim. You Must File, and you Must File correctly. All Information on this can be Found on Bill Benson's WebSite at:
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

Make sure you take in all of this sites information, as it must be Understood Correctly.

5:54 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Anon. Said: All of this doesn't remove the fact that the Constitution clearly authorizes the government to tax its citizens.

You know nothing do you? In Fact... The 16th Ammendment was never Ratified by the States. This is Proven. And even if it were, The Supreme Court has Ruled, and Upheld it's ruling 8 times, That the 16th does not give Govt. any more taxation powers over the People. That in fact, an Income tax on Peoples Labor was Unconstitutional.

No wonder you blog under an Anon Name... You don't even know what you're talking about. Why don't you just shut your Cock-Holster until you can speak Facts, as they are written in the Constitution, the Statutes and the Regulations!
The 16th ammendment took 4 years to Ratify... Why so Long? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF THE 48 STATES KNEW IT WAS WRONG... AND THEY KNEW IT TO BE A PLOY TO GET MORE POWER AND MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE!
In Fact... I have a copy of the KY Resolution on the 16th Amendment, and it clearly shows that 9 people voted for it, and 22 people voted against it.
In 1913 Secretary of State Philander Knox, (Possibly being cohersed)Lied to The People, saying that the state of KY Ratified the amendment. It is proven that KY DID NOT Ratify the 16th, But in FACT... Voted against it by a 22-9 vote. If you would like to see this Resolution, I will mail you a Copy.

So... Before you go spouting off at the Mouth like an IRS Agent, and not an American Patriot... Do some research and educate yourself. Because "WE THE PEOPLE" ONLY DEAL WITH FACTS, AND THE LAW AS IT IS WRITTEN... Which is to say: THERE IS NO LAW.

Thank you

6:39 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

The only Chicken Patriot around here Blogs under an anon Name, and does not post email either. As far as WE THE PEOPLE are concerned, you are a spinless, jellyfish sucking Mental Midget... Who knows nothing of the Constitution, it's History, or its Authors. In essence... Your Citizenship should be revoked, as you do not know the meaning of the word Patriot... or Freedom.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is proven that KY DID NOT Ratify the 16th, But in FACT... Voted against it by a 22-9 vote. If you would like to see this Resolution, I will mail you a Copy."

Kentucky voted on the issue again, after a correction was made. Why are you ignoring the second vote?

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The 16th ammendment took 4 years to Ratify... Why so Long?"

Because most state legislatures only met once a year.

7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truelogic is another chickenpatriot, afraid to post under his own name.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is my utmost hopes and prayers that we can put our differences aside. We all know we are working on one common cause. Some of us need to just sit down and talk with one another to really get to know one another to find out each others back grounds. Really get to know each other. Everyone has to admit that we all do not like some little something about even our very best friends. Everyone is their on person. We can always agree to disagree on some issues. I have done this with some of my friends and even with my boss at work. And we keep on moving on. These are extremely stressful times for all of use. I hope and pray that we can all try our best to get along and get to know each other better. I think that we will all be better off in the long run and through the grace of God we will overcome all obstacles. Remember to keep God close to your heart and let him guide you to a solution that is best for us all. I pray for God to give me the wisdom and guidance to continue the quest that we all cherish and hold dear to our hearts and that is to be truly free.

Robert Brown

PS. There is more I would like to say but my bed is calling me and it is 8:30 PM here and 2:30 AM comes early for work. Everyone please take care and I love you all.

9:33 PM  
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9:42 PM  
Blogger Christine Baker said...

What is all this BS about people going there to defend Ed?

You're all falling apart because NOBODY is attacking Ed. The feds can't stop laughing.

This is just about as pathetic as it gets, but I expected it since the posting of the "helicopter attack."

You NEED the feds' help (i.e. the attack) to keep your unity.

The feds aren't nearly as stupid as most of the anonymous morons posting here and I suspect that the people at Ed's house aren't exactly rocket scientists either. Maybe Ed got what he asked for, a bunch of morons with guns.

BTW, many thanks to the people who focused on the legal analysis, great work! Not many people have the brains to read a court filing and to understand the issues, but I definitely appreciate it.

Ed has a NICE place. Why doesn't he just happily live there for a few years?

Why is it that so many people want a war?

Oh right, I forgot, violence and blood are just so sexy.

10:29 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

ANON... On the second vote... It's a croc of shit.

Even if KY Radified it, Which they did not... They needed 36 out of the 48 states to Ratify the 16th Amendment... Yet they had nowhere near that... To Ratify an amendment to the Constitution, there has to be 3/4 of the states who agree... As I have said previously, they had no where near that amount.

Keep studying Hero, and You might not be a Zero. By the way... My name is Scott... My email is posted... and since you think you know so much... why don't you share your knowledge? Because what you're saying on this blog quite frankly... leaves alot to be desired. If you know something... please share... If not... Shut your IRS Cock-Holster.

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Touched a nerve, Truelogic?

Interesting that my short, simple post caused such a reaction. Expecially when I'm stating the simple facts of the case.

As for the ratification of the 16th amendments, courts have consistently upheld that it was ratified correctly, and that people who argue otherwise are making frivolous arguments.

The point is, you may not like taxes, but that doesn't mean you're excluded from paying them. The Constitution clearly, as I said, gives taxing authority to the government. The laws of this country, put into effect by people you and I elected, allow for direct taxation of income.

A question: If the law doesn't require you to pay taxes, why wouldn't the government pass one requiring it?

Isn't the simplest answer that, indeed, the law does require such payments, and provides for punishment if you don't pay up?

10:44 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Just for our ANON. Guest... That He/She (THE CHICKEN PATRIOT) might be more educated.


HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY
RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT

Bill Benson's findings, published in "The Law That Never Was," make a convincing case that the 16th amendment was not legally ratified and that Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he declared it ratified in February 1913. What follows is a summary of some of the major findings for many of the states, showing that their ratifications were not legal and should not have been counted.

The 16th amendment had been sent out in 1909 to the state governors for ratification by the state legislatures after having been passed by Congress. There were 48 states at that time, and three-fourths, or 36, of them were required to give their approval in order for it to be ratified. The process took almost the whole term of the Taft administration, from 1909 to 1913.

Knox had received responses from 42 states when he declared the 16th amendment ratified on February 25, 1913, just a few days before leaving office to make way for the administration of Woodrow Wilson. Knox acknowledged that four of those states (Utah, Conn, R.I. and N.H.) had rejected it, and he counted 38 states as having approved it. We will now examine some of the key evidence Bill Benson found regarding the approval of the amendment in many of those states.

In Kentucky, the legislature acted on the amendment without even having received it from the governor (the governor of each state was to transmit the proposed amendment to the state legislature). The version of the amendment that the Kentucky legislature made up and acted upon omitted the words "on income" from the text, so they weren't even voting on an income tax! When they straightened that out (with the help of the governor), the Kentucky senate rejected the amendment. Yet Philander Knox counted Kentucky as approving it!

In Oklahoma, the legislature changed the wording of the amendment so that its meaning was virtually the opposite of what was intended by Congress, and this was the version they sent back to Knox. Yet Knox counted Oklahoma as approving it, despite a memo from his chief legal counsel, Reuben Clark, that states were not allowed to change it in any way.

Attorneys who have studied the subject have agreed that Kentucky and Oklahoma should not have been counted as approvals by Philander Knox, and, moreover, if any state could be shown to have violated its own state constitution or laws in its approval process, then that state's approval would have to be thrown out. That gets us past the "presumptive conclusion" argument, which says that the actions of an executive official cannot be judged by a court, and admits that Knox could be wrong.

If we subtract Kentucky and Oklahoma from the 38 approvals above, the count of valid approvals falls to 36, the exact number needed for ratification. If any more states can be shown to have had invalid approvals, the 16th amendment must be regarded as null and void.

The state constitution of Tennessee prohibited the state legislature from acting on any proposed amendment to the U.S. Constitution sent by Congress until after the next election of state legislators. The intent, of course, is to give the proposed amendment a chance to become an issue in the state legislative elections so that the people can have a voice in determining the outcome. It also provides a cooling off period to reduce the tendency to approve an idea just because it happens to be the moment's trend. You've probably already guessed that the Tennessee legislature did not hold off on voting for the amendment until after the next election, and you'd be right - they didn't; hence, they acted upon it illegally before they were authorized to do so. They also violated their own state constitution by failing to read the resolution on three different days as prescribed by Article II, Section 18. These state constitutional violations make their approval of the amendment null and void. Their approval is and was invalid, and it brings the number of approving states down to 35, one less than required for ratification.

Texas and Louisiana violated provisions in their state constitutions prohibiting the legislatures from empowering the federal government with any additional taxing authority. Now the number is down to 33.

Twelve other states, besides Tennessee, violated provisions in their constitutions requiring that a bill be read on three different days before voting on it. This is not a trivial requirement. It allows for a cooling off period; it enables members who may be absent one day to be present on another; it allows for a better familiarity with, and understanding of, the measure under consideration, since some members may not always read a bill or resolution before voting on it (believe it or not!). States violating this procedure were: Mississippi, Ohio, Arkansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, West Virginia, Indiana, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Colorado, and Illinois. Now the number is reduced to 21 states legally ratifying the amendment.

When Secretary Knox transmitted the proposed amendment to the states, official certified and sealed copies were sent. Likewise, when state results were returned to Knox, it was required that the documents, including the resolution that was actually approved, be properly certified, signed, and sealed by the appropriate official(s). This is no more than any ordinary citizen has to do in filing any legal document, so that it's authenticity is assured; otherwise it is not acceptable and is meaningless. How much more important it is to authenticate a constitutional amendment! Yet a number of states did not do this, returning uncertified, unsigned, and/or unsealed copies, and did not rectify their negligence even after being reminded and warned by Knox. The most egregious offenders were Ohio, California, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Minnesota - which did not send any copy at all, so Knox could not have known what they even voted on! Since four of these states were already disqualified above, California is now subtracted from the list of valid approvals, reducing it to 20.

These last five states, along with Kentucky and Oklahoma, have particularly strong implications with regard to the fraud charge against Knox, in that he cannot be excused for not knowing they shouldn't have been counted. Why was he in such a hurry? Why did he not demand that they send proper documentation? They never did.

Further review would make the list dwindle down much more, but with the number down to 20, sixteen fewer than required, this is a suitable place to rest, without getting into the matter of several states whose constitutions limited the taxing authority of their legislatures, which could not give to the federal govern authority they did not have.

The results from the six states Knox had not heard from at the time he made his proclamation do not affect the conclusion that the amendment was not legally ratified. Of those six: two (Virginia and Pennsylvania) he never did hear from, because they ignored the proposed amendment; Florida rejected it; two others (Vermont and Massachusetts) had rejected it much earlier by recorded votes, but, strangely, submitted to the Secretary within a few days of his ratification proclamation that they had passed it (without recorded votes); West Virginia had purportedly approved it at the end of January 1913, but its notification had not yet been received (remember that West Virginia had violated its own constitution, as noted above).

10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody who matters thinks that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified, the "research" of a poorly-educated former snitch for the Ohio State Tax Agency notwithstanding (Bill Benson).

As for chickenpatriot truelogic's ravings, maybe he can tell the difference between a Cessna 152 out on a joy ride and an attack squadron of blackhawk helicopters coming to take out the Brown house, because nobody there can.

10:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE FACTS:
http://www.quatloos.com/bill_benson_debunked.htm

10:55 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THIS...
ANON. Must be one of those IRS Disinformation Agents. Listen to the IRS Regs Almost spewing forth from their mouth!
It's okay... Because I'm the Educated one... and you're the Ignorant one...

Email me after a couple more weeks of Studying the Constitution and the Statutes...

Also Anon... It is very clear to me that you have not seen the Video "Theft by Deception". This video is free to watch on Google, in it's entirety. It is Widely reccognized in the Professional Law Community, and Verified by Retired IRS Agents.

Hell... The military raided the Author's Home, and took all coppies by gunpoint... Why would they do this? Huh... Smart guy?

I have no wish to have a pissing contest with you... But it is very clear that you have not seen "AFTF" "Theft by Deception" nor have you considered Bill Benson's findings in "The Law That Never Was".
Though My own personal conclusions were not formed solely from these Authors, findings... (I have done my own research) This is a good start for anyone seriously interested in the TRUTH.

furthermore... until you have seen these videos for yourself... I will no longer debate with you, as I find your ignorance on the subject of income tax and the Constitution to be nauseating.

Happy Blogging you ChickenPatriot...
and Happy Learning.

11:06 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

ANON SAID: A question: If the law doesn't require you to pay taxes, why wouldn't the government pass one requiring it?

ANSWER: Because if they did, they would have to admit that there never was one before... you Congressional whoopie cushion!

Now my question: If there is a Law... Why doesn't the IRS or the Court "SHOW THIS LAW TO THE PEOPLE"?

And... Bill Benson debunked you say... Disinformation by the IRS...

How come Bill Benson recieves all his Withholdings back every Year? Why did the the IRS's own Federal Agents, Dismiss their own Case against him... and with Prejudice?

Answer... He had them by the balls with their own OMB Numbers Moron.

11:15 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

and yes Anon... ::Laughing::
I would know the difference, as I was Enlisted Twice.

This Blog is about Tax Law and the Constitution... Not Military Hardware Nomenclature.


Stick with the Subject.

Maybe I will Debate with you some more... For the sake of others watching this Blog... I'd hate to see any of them start believing anything spewing from that IRS AGENT Mouth of yours.

Admit it ANON... The Constitution of this great Nation is your worst Enemy!

11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Benson is facing an injunction, and will probably go back to prison.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

truelogic, why aren't you at the Brown house?

Easy to be a chickenpatriot, eh?

11:26 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

The "Bill Benson Debunked" Websites are all part of the IRS's Information War.

You really are not as Smart on the subject as I first thought.

At first... I thought you were just another Non Believer, as you maybe hadn't researched enough.

Now... I know that you are nothing but an IRS WatchDog... Also assisting in the Info War on Behalf of the IRS. and against the People of this Country.

Everything that Bill Benson Uncovered, was the truth... And you think that the IRS is not going to try and Debunk him. The IRS even tried to make a deal with him for all the coppies of his book, and his assertion that he would not duplicate it. He refused.

To be honest... I was giving you a hard time by calling you an IRS AGENT... Due to your Comments about Bill Benson... I now believe it 100%

You Have taken part in enslaving the People of this Nation. And someday... you... and those like you, will pay dearly in a great uprising of the People. Maybe not in our lifetime... But the fact is, Even the policy/Law makers know the truth... and they are deathly afraid that it will come to light.

11:36 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

The Facts of Bill Benson can be found at:

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com

11:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth about Bill Benson and his bogus 16th Amendment argument:

http://www.fraudsandscams.com/Benson/benson.htm

Think for yourself and don't take the words of chickenpatriot sycophants who have drunk Benson's paytriot koolaid (and often gone to jail).

11:52 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Anon... how do you know I'm not at the Brown House?

and actually... why aren't you here? lol
whos the Chicken Patriot now eh?

The simple fact is: it doesn't matter where I am... I have the right to believe as I wish... So do you for that matter...

The difference between you and I is that I form my Philosophy from the facts and the Evidence on hand...
I don't just wield oppinions based on the factless, unsupported Evidence and meer oppinions of others... Like you.

Facts are there... Look in the right places and you'll find them. The definition of ignorant falls upon People like you, who in light of FACTUAL EVIDENCE, Still maintain the LIE that's been forced down their throats for years... Should I start addressing you as JUDGE McCaullif,

Because People who ignore Facts based on Evidence are Truely STUPID, Don't care about anyones Rights except their own (within their Office) of have been outright Bought and Paid for...

Which catagory do you fall into there mr. Anon?

Are you the Stupid one... or were you paid for and bought outright?

Well... I don't think that anything you've said to rebut Me is worth the Fed Paying for... So you must be the Stupid one who simply Cannot Believe the Facts as they are Presented to you...

As I said before... I cannot Convince you, and Don't Care to... It is YOU who must Educate yourself to the Facts.

Even Law Enforcement and Military Personell, Judges, Lawyers, Former IRS Pocket Agents (Like You) Are comming around to the truth.

So... I Leave it to you... To figure out on your own...

here's a couple links that have great information.

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/
http://www.stanley2002.org/

This is Cool:
http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/JackMcLamb.htm

11:58 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

BTW... Bill Benson is not facing an injunction, and will not go back to prison.

When a Judge dismisses a Case with Prejudice... That Means the IRS can never again bring those Charges Against him.

You Severely Lack any real knowledge of this Subject.

12:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go read the pending court case for yourself, dufus.

See http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1005491 for information on the ongoing DOJ action against (recidivist scammer and previously convicted felon) Bill Benson.

12:15 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

ANON SAID: Truth about Bill Benson and his bogus 16th Amendment argument:


BILL BENSON NEVER USED THE 16th AMENDMENT AS AN ARGUMENT!

YOU NEVER EVEN READ THE CASE DID EWE...

EWE ARE SO SORRY AND PATHETIC TO SPEAK OF TOPICS YOU PLAINLY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF.

BENSON NAILED THEM ON THE OMB NUMBERS BEING INCORRECT ON THE 1040 FORM. IT WAS NOT VALID, AS THE OMB NUMBER HADN"T CHANGED IN OVER 23 YEARS! EVERY SO OFTEN THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET (OMB) IS SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THE OMB NUMBER OR RENEW IT. AND THE LAW STATED THAT IF THE OMB NUMBERS WERE INVALID, THERE COULD BE NO PENALTIES FOR NOT FILING THE FORM.

WHEN HE PRESENTED THIS INFO TO THE JUDGE, THE IRS AGENTS (VISIBLY FRANTIC) ASKED THAT THE JUDGE DISMISS THEIR CASE WITH PREJUDICE.

THIS IS SERIOUS! BECAUSE IF IT GOT OUT THAT THE OMB NUMBERS WERE NOT VALID ALL THAT TIME... LAWSUITS WOULD BE FLYING AT THE IRS BY THE THOUSANDS!

IF THE OMB NUMBER IS INVALID... YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FILE THE FORM, AND UNDER THE LAWS OF THE PAPERWORK REDUCTION ACT (PRA) THEY CANNOT PENALIZE IN ANY WAY BY FINE, IMORISONMENT, OR LEVY'S AGAINST THE INDIV. WHO FAILED TO FILE.

12:15 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

quatloos.... AHAHHhahahahahaaa


BOY ARE YOU EASILY DUPED.

You Love disinformation... Don't you.
I'll tell you what ANON... you spend the next 10 years sorting through all that Bullshit... (Cause it'll take that long) and when all that's left in the end are the Facts stearing you in the Face, more like punching you in the face, they're so obvious... then I'll say I told ewe so...

EWE CHICKENPATRIOT...

12:21 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Nice... you gave me an invalid Link... lol

you'll have yo try harder...

But please... no wild goose chases okay... post a valid link for your argument, or don't post.

I'm not feeding you Dis-information here... so don't blow smoke up my ass okay.

12:24 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Sorry about my previous mis-spelling... getting tired here. typing too fast as well.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous GEORGE said...

Go Get them Ed... Will see you sat. to help with U.C.C. demands

The 3-501 looks very good and appears the same as the
federal version. I am torn between the use of the
state 3-501 and 3-505.4 because the federal government
must go by state law. BUT, 3-505.4 has been hidden by
the federal government because of .2 and .5. Both are
similar but 3-505.4 adds the precaution of not saying
to much and ‘default’ if agency does not answered to
the issue. Our reasoning here is to forcefully reverse
the burden of proof at the administrative level where
all actions evolve from.

You want to keep your statement short and 3-505.4
allows us to do that. I believe we should go with
3-505.4 because this is a federal trial and not state.
UCC 3-505 is a strange pig to me. I only apply it when
I use notary and in this case it is definitely an
essential for the affidavit. I have more research to
do in the statute of frauds area, which can be found
in the tax notes I sent you.

below there are a few notes on the lien
procedure and Federal Tax Act. The amount of seizure of the home and business

is very large for the one year frivolous filing and I
suspect the IRS tacked on the non-filed years which
will show on the assessment. Non filed years cannot be
assessed properly because a 1040 is mandatory. The
judge took the shotgun approach to this issue and I am
confident the next shot will backfire. You need to
send off inquires to as many agencies as applicable
within the next couple of weeks or sooner. I think the
“warrant of distraint” signed by the judge will be
Exhibit “A” and sent refuted with notary witness to
the refute signature by one or both parties. Ed’s
departure from the court will be considered
“Belligerent” Claimant in Propria Persona and his
“Visitation” will be based on discovery.

One of the requirements is that the IRS file an
assessment with the U.S. Department of the Treasury).
26 U.S.C. § 6321. This is not usually done with an
individual “taxpayer.” In some instances the issue
will fade quickly when you demand “exibition of
instrument” because it does not exist and I suspect
that in this case it does not. The court uses its
Penumbra Doctrine power and the use of elliptical
devise to entice us to freeze in out dens and be
devoured. BUT, like the wolf and the three little
pigs, the serpeant only has to blow at the ground to
disrupt the house of straw and sticks. When it comes
to the solid base of the foundation of the brick
house, his huffing and puffing is over.

This process will not hurt the Browns because they are
demanding the items ‘presumed to be in existence’ and
administrative in nature. Once it is proved that the
items do not exist, subject matter can be attacked on
the judicial level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_lien
requesting a certificate of release from a federal tax
lien
See 26 U.S.C. § 6325 30 days and the taxpayer may
receive a copy of the Certificate of Release of
Federal Tax Lien.
The term "assessment" refers to the statutory
assessment made by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
under 26 U.S.C. § 6201 (that is, the formal recording
of the tax in the official books and records of the
U.S. Department of the Treasury). 26 U.S.C. § 6321
Generally, the "person liable to pay any tax"
described in section 6321 must pay the tax within ten
days of the written notice and demand.[2] 26 C.F.R.
section 601.103(a).
Under the doctrine of Glass City Bank v. United
States[4], the tax lien applies not only to property
and rights to property owned by the taxpayer at the
time of the assessment, but also to after-acquired
property (i.e., to any property owned by the taxpayer
during the life of the lien).
For taxes assessed on or after November 6, 1990, the
lien generally becomes unenforceable ten years after
the date of assessment. [ I have read three years, but
I doubt that an assessment was filed with the
secretarty.]
In order to have the record of a lien released a
taxpayer must obtain a Release of the Notice of
Federal Tax Lien.[8] 26 U.S.C. § 6325 Generally, the
IRS will not issue a notice of release of lien until
the tax has either been paid in full or the IRS no
longer has a legal interest in collecting the tax.
[Was there an assessment filed???]

The difference between a Federal tax lien and an
administrative levy
The creation of a tax lien, and the subsequent
issuance of a Notice of Federal Tax Lien, should not
be confused with the issuance of a Notice of Intent to
Levy under 26 U.S.C. § 6331(d), or with the actual act
of levy under 26 U.S.C. § 6331(a). The term "levy" in
this narrow technical sense denotes an administrative
action by the Internal Revenue Service (i.e., without
going to court) to seize property to satisfy a tax
liability. The levy "includes the power of distraint
and seizure by any means.[9] 26 U.S.C. § 7701(a)(21)
and 26 U.S.C. § 6331(b)The general rule is that no
court permission is required for the IRS to execute a
section 6331 levy.[10]. See Brian v. Gugin, 853 F.
Supp. 358, 94-1 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr. 50,278 (D.
Idaho 1994), aff’d, 95-1 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr.
50,067 (9th Cir. 1995). The IRS may, however, be
required to obtain court permission in the case of
bankruptcy; see 11 U.S.C. § 362.
In general, a Notice of Intent to Levy must be issued
by the IRS at least thirty days prior to the actual
levy. Thus, while a Notice of Federal Tax Lien
generally is issued after the tax lien arises, a
Notice of Intent to Levy (sometimes misleadingly
called simply a "notice of levy") generally must be
issued before the actual levy is made.
Also, while the Federal tax lien applies to all
property and rights to property of the taxpayer, the
levy is subject to certain restrictions. That is,
certain property covered by the lien may be exempt
from an administrative levy.[11] 26 U.S.C. § 6334.
(Property covered by the lien that is exempt from
administrative levy may, however, be taken by the IRS
if the IRS obtains a court judgment.) [This could be
what the judge is going for. But there must be a
proper assessment before either the administrative or
judicial action.]
A detailed discussion of the administrative levy, and
the related Notice, is beyond the scope of this
article.
In connection with Federal taxes in the United States,
the term "levy" also has a separate, more general
sense of "imposed." That is, when a tax law is enacted
by the Congress, the tax is said to be "imposed" or
"levied."
Administrative Claim
A. Val Patriot's Lawsuit II
1. Administrative Claim for Unauthorized Collection
Actions
This site may help if the IRS refuses to reply.
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv8-msgr&p=removing+bogus+irs+tax+lien&u=www.patriotnetwork.info/Collections.htm&w=removing+bogus+irs+tax+lien+liens&d=d9zRuuxsOR4_&icp=1&.intl=us

12:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truelogic -- I doubt any IRS or government agents would spend time here. Underpaid and overworked U.S. civil service employees wouldn't have the desire or motive to infiltrate a message board on the internet.

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- people have looked at the evidence and think that you have no case. You have spent hours and hours (days, weeks?) of your life on something that is futile and, most likely, illegal.

I would expect that thought worries you a little bit. Think of the time you could spend with your kids, grandkids or spouse. Think of the hobbies you could work on. Or imagine that you could have served your town as an elected official.

Instead, you do this. Do you think it's worth it?

1:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop with the 16th amendment dis-info already.

It does not matter if the 16th amendment was ratified or not because the supreme court has clearly shown several times that it gives the government no new taxing authority.


And please, do the actual research and you'll see that it was NOT properly ratified to begin with.

1:31 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

That's right... it wasn't ratified...

1:49 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Is waht worth it... What am I doing that is illegal ewe Fool? Reading information on the web? Accusing you of being with the IRS? Obviously ewe do have an interest in infiltrating this blog... because ewe're here... and ewe are an IRS AGENT! So... infiltrate away ewe CHICKEN PATRIOT... And make sure ewe Monitor my email all day long...(If ewe think you break the encryption) lmao.
anyhow... you are a closed minded, selfish individual with no compassion for people, no education about the Constitution, No immagination and no intestinal fortitude whatsoever. not to mention... no class... Most people go to sights or Blogs that capture their personal interest... So why don't you move you IRS Stink to another web blog is is "PRO TAX"
wouldn't that make more sense? Besides... that way you won't get Bashed all day long by people on the Blog.

hehe

1:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord -- you seriously think I can monitor your e-mail? Can we say paranoia together, class?

And infiltrate this blog? By simply commenting on it as any person can? That must be one heckuva infiltration.

Still, doesn't change the fact that you and I have to pay taxes.

2:04 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

futile and illegal... hmmm... I didn't know Blogging was illegal... I didn't know that reading websites is illegal...

I'm not worried at all... You should be though. You're the one who seems to be puzzy hurtin... Maybe you should go see Momma at the IRS and borrow some Vagisil for that Bleeding puzzy of yours.

I don't know about you... But I'm greatful for the Constitution, and for the Rights and Liberties it Bestows upon me. Unlike yours at the IRS... My rights are Legal... They are true... and not above you or the next persons. My rights were not stolen from the Constitution, Given Me by a Lie to the People.
You Have no rights that you're not willing to fight for... You may as well give up your rights... Because you will not fight for them.
You have no fight, no nuts, no guts, no class, no heart, no style, no skill, and no will. You are Eager to due the Bidding of Your Master, and Eager to lie down when told. You are sleeping with the IRS, and they are Laying one on your forhead every night.
For you are even more enslaved than the rest of Society. You do their bidding... their dirty work... and their spying.

2:14 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

no... you have to pay taxes.

2:16 AM  
Anonymous TruePatriot said...

Hello to all, especially the last "anonymous" writer~

WHY would any sovereign government grant the power to create money, (out of thin air!) to any privately-owned entity, the FEDERAL RESERVE, when that power was commissioned/granted, by the constitution (remember that once-respected document?), exclusively to the government, itself?

The insidious peril, of that treacherous President, Woodrow Wilson, giving those vipers, the international bankers (who control the FEDERAL RESERVE), has enslaved the vast populous of this country every since!

President Reagan appointed the Grace Commission circa `86 & it concluded that "not a single nickel of the Federal Income Tax goes to the services that the country expects." No, instead all of the Federal Income Tax goes towards the NATIONAL DEBT, of which is mostly generated from repaying the interest, to the FED, on the borrowed money from our government!

It's sickening that our country was sold out, to benefit the globalists... & the politicians responsible ought to be branded traitors! It's irrefutable that something has gone terribly wrong in this country.

This is no longer the "Land Of The Free." The government has the ignorant masses afraid of some boogeyman, whilst the (once) sacred constitution is being eviscerated!

The nefarious plan to consolidate the global governments, thereby converting us from sovereigns into chattel, has been in-the-making for quite some time. Entities, treaties & the likes such as the Trilateral Commission, CFR, IMF, NAFTA, EU, CAFTA, etc... have all been devised to bring the globalist's agenda to fruition.

However, it hasn't been until the last few years, with the (subtle) push for the North American Union (N.A.U.), that the polititians' malfeasant fangs are really dripping. They also have the Super Highway, which is to extend from S Mexico to Alaska, on the drawing board!

I could go on for hours & hours &... yet some readers, such as the "anonymous" writer, who volleyed diatribes with "truelogic", might still be doubters. Or perhaps he is merely the Agent Provocateur, as accused.

In any case, I arrive back to my 1st question, at the beginning of this novel. WHY would the head, of ANY sovereign government give the power, to create money, out of thin air (known as Fractional Reserve Banking) & then lend it to the government WITH exuberent interest?!? WHYWHYWHY???

I ask the foregoing question rhetorically. The answer is because it's all been by design. Create an UNrepayable debt. Secure the assets. Collapse the system (the 30's depression). Seize the collateral & enslave the people!

God help Elaine & Ed Brown.
God help the citizens of the USA.
God help the souls of Bush & Comp!

2:21 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Larkin Rose tells it all right here. if you Believe in Freedom, not slavery... you'll watch it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023&q=theft+by+deception

If you don't care about being enslaved along with your Children and this thought appeals to you... Then DON"T.

2:24 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

TRUEPATRIOT...

Well Met, and well spoken...

God Bless You and Yours from Me and Mine.

God Bless the World, and this Great Nation.

And may God Grant the People the Strength, and the Resolution to Stand against Unlawful Income Tax.

Congress should've Stopped the Federal Reserve Years ago, when they realized it was no longer needed. They were supposed to do just that, and they have always held the power to do so. I submit to you, that the FED now owns Congress and the States. Even Congress is too Scared to act on what they themselves believe to be right. Sad... but totally True. It really IS up to the People and the State Militias now.

2:36 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

http://questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/

This guy was a CID Agent... now he's cool... and He's telling the truth. Check it out.

2:53 AM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

sorry... wrong link... here's the right one.

http://joebanister.blogspot.com/

3:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah yes ... the "international bankers." Thanks, Truepatriot. I knew that coded anti-semitism would come up sooner or later.

Truelogic, it's interesting that you continue to insult me -- and that the worst insult you can think of is to call me a woman. Hm.

I've never been anything but polite to you. I have merely asked if you think working on a cause that is futile (what victories have been won for this cause? any?) and illegal (for avoiding taxes most certainly is) is worth your time.

Imagine if the energy spent on this cause were given to feeding the hungry. Or helping the old and frail. Or working for equality between races and cultures. Think of how much you could do.

And how much you are failing to do now.

3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Banister admitted at the trial of his client Al Thompson (who was convicted and is on year 2 of a 5-year sentence) that he, Joe Banister, pays his taxes.

Banister pays his taxes while selling tapes and CDs and videos and earning speaker fees telling his clients (at least one of whom went to jail) not to pay taxes, while Banister pays his own taxes.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Talk about a PAYtriot.

8:19 AM  
Blogger Tyler said...

Wait, what? I'm not sure who posted this, or what is going on exactly, but please listen up.

Given that we aren't in the middle of a major government ploy here, if people cannot put aside their differances or brush off disagreeemtns dring this time, we will fail.

This has just begun and it seems like someone is trying to split up the "resistance" here, by causing an internal civil war.

Please cease any personal beef and focas on the battle at hand.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Ryan Mann said...

Anonymous said...
Ah yes ... the "international bankers." Thanks, Truepatriot. I knew that coded anti-semitism would come up sooner or later.
Truelogic, it's interesting that you continue to insult me -- and that the worst insult you can think of is to call me a woman. Hm.
I've never been anything but polite to you. I have merely asked if you think working on a cause that is futile (what victories have been won for this cause? any?) and illegal (for avoiding taxes most certainly is) is worth your time.
Imagine if the energy spent on this cause were given to feeding the hungry. Or helping the old and frail. Or working for equality between races and cultures. Think of how much you could do.
And how much you are failing to do now.
3:39 AM
Oh yes, you are a polite thief. The difference between your robery agency and the mofia is that your agency (the IRS) is officially supported by the government. feeding the hungry? If the government supported mofia didn't take so much money from Americans, that money could be given to private charities. Oh yes, I know, the government needs our money to help poor peopel because they can do it better than charities.
not
Since the government does so much good with people's taxes, I guess the damage has been fixed in Louisiana from Katrina and all of the victems have homes? I don't think so. FEMA didn't help and they also kept private citizens from helping! Don't talk to people about feeding the hungry you selfish communist thief!

1:26 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

ANON... What I called you is an IRS Enslaver of the people... Get it right...

And yes... What would happen if The Irs and Federal Government Spent their Energy on feeding the Hungary, Sheltering the Homeless, and taking care of out Senior Citizens... Instead of Stealing from them what they so not have to give?

And how does talking about the INTERNATIONAL Private Bankers that make up the FEDERAL RESERVE, have anything to do with Anti-Semitism?
Do you even know what ANTI-SEMITISM Means?!
What... you think ALL of those Bankers are Jewish or something?
Get an Education for Pete Sake.

2:21 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Yes yes... Think how much Your Govt. could be doing for it's people.

And yes... Think of all that it's not doing now...

Good point for once ANON... Only... You've mis-directed that to me, instead of asking the Govt. the same thing.

2:23 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

Ryan Mann... Outstanding analogy.
Our Tax Money is being so well spent by the Government... To purchase Bombs, rifles, and Killing machines... to spy on you with your own Computer, cell phone or in-vehicle Northstar systems... To Pay off Judges to Rule against you, and not allow you to put on a defense. To Take your weapons, that you may not defend yourself against looters... and yes... they use your Tax Money to keep them in office, while they Destroy the Constitution, and slowly Enslave you.

Yes Anon... I can see EXACTLY why you agree with the Income Tax. It's Because You Benifit Directly from the Tax on the People as an Agent. Isn't it?

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm Sounds like a PSY-OPS is going on here,beware of the manipulations as the hydra has many heads. WE ALL MUST WORK TOGETHER ON THIS, NOW IS THE TIME TO GET THIS MESSAGE ACROSS ON A WIDER SCALE. PSY-OPS ARE CREATED INTENTIONALLY TO DIVIDE THE PEOPLE SO THE BROWNS CAN BE SEEN AS OUTCASTS.THE TIME IS NOW TO UNITE AND PUT ASIDE THES TRIVIAL BICKERINGS! OTHERWISE WE ARE JUST FALLING INTO THEIR HANDS! PLEASE AMERICA,WAKE UP DON'T LET SUCH MINOR DIVISIONS FRACTURE THE QUEST FOR TRUTH,JUSTICE AND FREEDOM FROM TYRANNYY!

3:40 PM  
Anonymous TruePatriot said...

Regarding my words, anonymous wrote, "Ah yes ... the "international bankers." Thanks, Truepatriot. I knew that coded anti-Semitism would come up sooner or later."

To those words, I counter:

It's typical of an ADL monger, to falsely accuse someone of being an anti-Semite. Touché & case-in-point, I did NOT even state that the 'international bankers' were Jews. Politically AND psychologically, you're bent on labeling any dissenters, intent on demonizing them, to bolster your position & propagate your agenda...

This is frightening, because organizations, such as the ADL, aim to further eviscerate the constitution. The bottom line is if someone chooses to spew ANY inflammatory words, whatsoever, it is their God-given right to do so, which IS & should remain protected by the constitution.

I bet if the 'anonymous' writer, who called me an anti-Semite, had their way, they would have a "Holocaust Reductionist" law passed, here in the USA, too! For those, who don't know what that is, it's a law making it illegal to even suggest that the 'official' (alleged) number of Jews killed, during WWII, wasn't quite 6 million.

Can you believe that the citizens, of the 'free' world, would capitulate to such tyranny?!? Well, just wake up because it's happening here, too! For example, someone just went to jail in Seattle for calling someone else a ‘nigger.’ Albeit, I choose not to use such language, it should LEGALLY be allowed to say! I happen to be of Italian descent & have been called me a W.O.P., but did NOT cry about it! Moreover, I would NEVER support a law to have someone’s free speech stifled, to prohibit them from calling me one!

The objective, of these polemicists, is to put a stranglehold on free speech! Here's a perfect example; there is currently a bill in congress to enhance hate crime legislation (H.R. 254). Check out the following link:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/hate_crimes_legislation_back.html

I’ll leave readers with a few quotes, from prominent men… some venerable & some not… Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves!!!

“Those, who would give up an essential liberty for security, deserve neither.”~ Benjamin Franklin

“When the people fear its government, there is tyranny; when the government fears its people, there is liberty.”~ Thomas Jefferson

“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism”~ Howard Zinn

“The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one.”~ Adolf Hitler

“A lie told often enough often becomes truth.”~ Vladmir Lenin

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”~ George Orwell

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred Smart and Jim of edbrown.org are trash!

6:00 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

ANON... Bend over... And I'll pull that IRS stick out of your Ass!

8:02 PM  
Blogger TrueLogic said...

I Cast My Presidential Vote for ED BROWN in the 2008 Elections!

11:12 PM  

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